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Large screen Pocket PC like device

 
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juliankay
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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2002 12:14 am    Post subject: Large screen Pocket PC like device Reply with quote

Hi guys.
If i said there was a large screen Pocket PC device running Windows CE .NET.. what would you like it to have as features?

I mean everything! from built in software to hardware!

Post it here, and you never know what might happen!!
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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2002 4:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What do you want, a 10,000 word essay? Be serious. Obviously, we'd generally want all the existing features of PPC, plus more, minus the bugs. And a bigger screen would be nice, maybe a 3.5" x 3.5"?

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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2002 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But, you have to remember it wont /be/ PocketPC. This means your PPC programs /wont/ work. However, HPC based software would work just fine.

Yea, those 10,000 words would be good... but knowing what users MUST have is all I need!

For anyone who has always wanted this, now is the time to speak up!!!


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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2002 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, as long as developers continue to support H/PC that'd be fine. Unfortunately, many have drifted away from providing H/PC versions. So until .NET stuff gets wide support, it'd be rather useless except for built-in apps. Is that why you ask?
For word processing/communication I'd like:
- Notepad (GigaPad is awesome!)
- Word, with proper page-format zoom preview (ie: smaller than 75%)
- Excel (basic, not too worried about bells and whistles)
- A decent email client, with HTML (reading, at least), download preview with checkboxes, sensible attachment browser which remembers where I last looked (for speed), no stupid random wrap, cut/paste option for saving attachments...

Media:
- A built-in basic paint program with BMP, PNG, JPG, and TIF support, and clipboard tie-in for inserting images to documents as-is or after editing. Should also have a reliable associate/restore association dialogue for all file types.
- Capacity for adding CF I camera modules, preferably all models.

Hardware:

- Cursorpad like Casio EG-800; simply the best ever made.
- Minimum of 1 CF II slot (or PC II slot and adapter) and 1 SD slot, built in!
- Battery should of course be replaceable by users, with a small backup.
- Put the Record button far from the microphone. Right next to it is silly, noise-wise. By preference, add a mic-jack instead or as well. We need to be able to plug in a small, decent mic.
- Overall size of about 4-1/2" x 6" x 5/8" is very reasonable for carrying in a small case, whether belt-mounted or in a large pocket or shoulder bag. I think if you could give us even as large a screen as 4" x 4-1/2", many users would happily put up with a larger unit than a Pocket PC. (Anyone with a strong contrary opinion?)
- Built-in dialup modem would be cool, if reliable. Keeping slots free for memory and camera would make it killer as a conferencing device, whether wired or Bluetooth.
- Ability to use a commonly available, durable keyboard. I'd vote for the Stowaway, as they seem to be here for the longer haul. Prefer to use most-applied port for this, so the Compaq standard (will HP-Compaq revamp this?) seems a good bet, or perhaps the Palm version (if it supports Jay Lagorio's WordCommands shortcuts).
- NO JACKETS! Use a short cable or PC adapter with multi-slot inputs for all the crazy media coming out. There's already a couple of brands of PC card to CF I/CFII/SD/MMC/Memory Stick adapters available for people with a range of digital camera gear, so why get more complicated by designing a whole device around awkward sleeves? SD/MMC is small and easy to squeeze in somewhere. All else could be done either through a PC slot or via a multi-drive bay/cable like a lot of the sub-notebooks use. Keeps thickness down to maybe 1/2" while admitting the possibility of one day plugging in anything, right up to Firewire and CD-RW.

I'm out of breath. Are you for real? Need a tester?

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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2002 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hardware:

- Cursorpad like Casio EG-800; simply the best ever made.
*Agreed*

- Minimum of 1 CF II slot (or PC II slot and adapter) and 1 SD slot, built in!
*What about CF and PC card slots?*

- Battery should of course be replaceable by users, with a small backup.
*Yup, and how about being able to add EXTRA battery to it, on the fly*

- Put the Record button far from the microphone. Right next to it is silly, noise-wise. By preference, add a mic-jack instead or as well. We need to be able to plug in a small, decent mic.
*Agreed*

- Overall size of about 4-1/2" x 6" x 5/8" is very reasonable for carrying in a small case, whether belt-mounted or in a large pocket or shoulder bag. I think if you could give us even as large a screen as 4" x 4-1/2", many users would happily put up with a larger unit than a Pocket PC. (Anyone with a strong contrary opinion?)
*eek*

- Built-in dialup modem would be cool, if reliable. Keeping slots free for memory and camera would make it killer as a conferencing device, whether wired or Bluetooth.
*Hmm*

- Ability to use a commonly available, durable keyboard. I'd vote for the Stowaway, as they seem to be here for the longer haul. Prefer to use most-applied port for this, so the Compaq standard (will HP-Compaq revamp this?) seems a good bet, or perhaps the Palm version (if it supports Jay Lagorio's WordCommands shortcuts).
*what about USB for mouse and keyboard?*

- NO JACKETS! Use a short cable or PC adapter with multi-slot inputs for all the crazy media coming out. There's already a couple of brands of PC card to CF I/CFII/SD/MMC/Memory Stick adapters available for people with a range of digital camera gear, so why get more complicated by designing a whole device around awkward sleeves? SD/MMC is small and easy to squeeze in somewhere. All else could be done either through a PC slot or via a multi-drive bay/cable like a lot of the sub-notebooks use. Keeps thickness down to maybe 1/2" while admitting the possibility of one day plugging in anything, right up to Firewire and CD-RW.
*Agreed!!*

Wow, thanks for all that information. In alot of ways we are thinking the same kinda thing.. *wanders off to do something secret*
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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2002 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yer bad. But in a nice way. Got me on the edge of my seat!
And yes, CF + PC would be excellent. USB is fine and good, but no pocketable/portable keyboards exist, right? So I'm thinking for ... data entry something like a Stowaway is essential. (I have 2, a Casio and an iPAQ model.) Otherwise, it ceases to be even remotely portable in the Pocket PC sense. The slimmest USB kb I've seen is still a beast. I'd feel a right dork packin' one in a shoulderbag. However, if you have a solution, bring it!
Stackable batteries; cool.
So, planning a slightly bigger screen yet? Perhaps double a PPC's? I'm likin' that. Like a mini-tablet. It's where I see all these honking big tablets going in 3 or 4 years anyway...
Happy mad-scientist stuff to you, whoever you are!


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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2002 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh well. I can't really say anything about anything anyway! When things become public.. we may need some sites to do some reviews....
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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2002 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soo.. you looking for funding for it?

Anyways, have any of you looked at the Samsung Nexio? It is using a bigger screen AND it has CDMA wireless.

But, because, as Gerard has mentioned it uses a different screen ratio, the Nexio is using Windows CE, and not PocketPC, which is a shame :P

MSFT should release some kind of "Platform builder" for PocketPC and not just the base Windows CE IMHO.

Let us know what happens with your venture.
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